What Falling from Grace Means
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Comment from Wabigoon
Deniz--
You are obviously well-schooled here in this matter. I think you expect a bit much from those of us not quite so familiar with the material. In other words I feel you are writing for those and only those in your faith, not for those, like myself, who is-are interested in these matters, comes from a very different direction, etc., but is not as familiar as you. Hence, I think you could have begun this discussion with a short description of Glatatians, Paul's letter, just what "the Law" here is, etc., and in general terms, why this appears to be a conflict. Then, I think the above discussion in greater depth would have been more meaningful.
Thanks for the discussion
Wabigoon
reply by the author on 08-Apr-2019
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Deniz--
You are obviously well-schooled here in this matter. I think you expect a bit much from those of us not quite so familiar with the material. In other words I feel you are writing for those and only those in your faith, not for those, like myself, who is-are interested in these matters, comes from a very different direction, etc., but is not as familiar as you. Hence, I think you could have begun this discussion with a short description of Glatatians, Paul's letter, just what "the Law" here is, etc., and in general terms, why this appears to be a conflict. Then, I think the above discussion in greater depth would have been more meaningful.
Thanks for the discussion
Wabigoon
Comment Written 08-Apr-2019
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I hear you friend but sometimes we have to preach to the choir as they need to be fed too so they can keep on singing Christ?s praises.
May I suggest you spend some time becoming very familiar with the Gospel of John? Getting established in your own mind who Christ is from the scriptures themselves is the best foundation for learning the other scriptures.
Here?s what John wrote about his Gospel:The disciples saw Jesus do many other miraculous signs in addition to the ones recorded in this book. But these are written so that you may continue to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing in him you will have life by the power of his name.
John 20:30NLT
God bless you, Dennis
Comment from Janilou
Very interesting and informative. I could see this being a multi-week Bible study topic.
One tiny suggestion and it's something I do myself all the time.
So Paul wants them to understand they need to keep believing in the grace of God, not to be saved all over again, but to grow in that grace.
If you remove the word 'So' at the beginning, I think your sentence would be stronger.
Like this:
Paul wants them to understand they need to keep believing in the grace of God, not to be saved all over again, but to grow in that grace.
Thank you for educating us.
Jan
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Very interesting and informative. I could see this being a multi-week Bible study topic.
One tiny suggestion and it's something I do myself all the time.
So Paul wants them to understand they need to keep believing in the grace of God, not to be saved all over again, but to grow in that grace.
If you remove the word 'So' at the beginning, I think your sentence would be stronger.
Like this:
Paul wants them to understand they need to keep believing in the grace of God, not to be saved all over again, but to grow in that grace.
Thank you for educating us.
Jan
Comment Written 08-Apr-2019
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Thanks, and no doubt yours is a good suggestion (re the use of ?so?) which I will try to employ.
Thank you for reading and commenting. Dennis
Comment from Miss Sherry
Excellent piece the meaning of grace. Some folks think once is enough. But a lifelong walk with Christ is what I believe in. I have stumbled and been picked up, my sins dusted off and my walk continued. You have done a great job of explaining these concepts.
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Excellent piece the meaning of grace. Some folks think once is enough. But a lifelong walk with Christ is what I believe in. I have stumbled and been picked up, my sins dusted off and my walk continued. You have done a great job of explaining these concepts.
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Comment Written 08-Apr-2019
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Thank you and I have shared your experiences as well! What a wonderful Savior we love and serve because He first loved us and saved us!
God bless you dear sister, YBIC, Dennis
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Amen and bless you Brother Deniz!!
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Yes, grace is the gift that keeps on giving. Thanks for reviewing and God bless you, Dennis
Comment from Badger_29
6 because of its content form structure use in Reading and for the pure fact that this is what I needed to read today so I thank you for your Fellowship here. I like all of Paul's letters I'm very partial to the Book of Romans which I believe has all the information in it. I'm reminded in the fact that Jesus came and said I come not to condemn but to give you life and that more abundantly. We are good examples of that Abundant Life.
However, at the end I found a lot of unnecessary verbiage and some things that you might possibly want to edit out in your author's notes which included this:
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Kelli Ann Jordan Dennis Clough well that doesn�¢??t make any sense he should of been way more clearer if that is what he was saying
What�¢??s the falling away then ? It�¢??s not loss of salvation
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Dennis Clough Paul becomes a lot more clear when you study carefully what he actually wrote...we may have to reread a number of times in context to get the larger picture. I suggest you reread all of Galatians carefully. If Paul had meant to teach either a saved per�¢?�¦See More
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Phillip Andrade Dennis Clough unfortunately the word traditionally translated �¢??falling away�¢??(though it can mean just �¢??to fall�¢??) has caused a lot of misunderstanding. It should be translated �¢??nullify grace�¢?? which i think much clearer to the context since Paul is just �¢?�¦See More
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Paul is speaking to the saved Galatians and warning them not to get entangled with the Law. If they do, they will be unable to "grow in grace."
Galatians 1:3 "Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen".
Notice Paul says here, "Christ gave Himself for our sins" (this saves us from Hell forever) but the next phrase addresses the real subject of Galatians, how believers are to overcome evil here and now by living a victorious life through the Spirit's enabling of our new natures. His resurrection, and our fellowship with Him through the Spirit produces the fruit of the Spirit in us which is pleasing to God and profitable for men.
The Judaizers offered the Law not so much as an ALTERNATIVE to Christ but as an ADDITION to His already completed work of atonement. If the saved Galatians accepted this thinking, they would nullify, not their eternal salvation, but rather the sanctifying work of the Spirit within them. Thus they would "fall from grace".
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Kelli Ann Jordan Dennis Clough well that doesn�¢??t make any sense he should of been way more clearer if that is what he was saying
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6 because of its content form structure use in Reading and for the pure fact that this is what I needed to read today so I thank you for your Fellowship here. I like all of Paul's letters I'm very partial to the Book of Romans which I believe has all the information in it. I'm reminded in the fact that Jesus came and said I come not to condemn but to give you life and that more abundantly. We are good examples of that Abundant Life.
However, at the end I found a lot of unnecessary verbiage and some things that you might possibly want to edit out in your author's notes which included this:
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Kelli Ann Jordan Dennis Clough well that doesn�¢??t make any sense he should of been way more clearer if that is what he was saying
What�¢??s the falling away then ? It�¢??s not loss of salvation
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Dennis Clough Paul becomes a lot more clear when you study carefully what he actually wrote...we may have to reread a number of times in context to get the larger picture. I suggest you reread all of Galatians carefully. If Paul had meant to teach either a saved per�¢?�¦See More
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Dennis Clough Kelli Ann Jordan The last link you sent is right on.
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Phillip Andrade Dennis Clough unfortunately the word traditionally translated �¢??falling away�¢??(though it can mean just �¢??to fall�¢??) has caused a lot of misunderstanding. It should be translated �¢??nullify grace�¢?? which i think much clearer to the context since Paul is just �¢?�¦See More
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Paul is speaking to the saved Galatians and warning them not to get entangled with the Law. If they do, they will be unable to "grow in grace."
Galatians 1:3 "Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen".
Notice Paul says here, "Christ gave Himself for our sins" (this saves us from Hell forever) but the next phrase addresses the real subject of Galatians, how believers are to overcome evil here and now by living a victorious life through the Spirit's enabling of our new natures. His resurrection, and our fellowship with Him through the Spirit produces the fruit of the Spirit in us which is pleasing to God and profitable for men.
The Judaizers offered the Law not so much as an ALTERNATIVE to Christ but as an ADDITION to His already completed work of atonement. If the saved Galatians accepted this thinking, they would nullify, not their eternal salvation, but rather the sanctifying work of the Spirit within them. Thus they would "fall from grace".
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Kelli Ann Jordan Dennis Clough well that doesn�¢??t make any sense he should of been way more clearer if that is what he was saying
What�¢??s the falling away then ? It�¢??s not loss of salvation
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Kelli Ann Jordan So you�¢??re saying fall from grace is just a figure of speech?
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Comment Written 08-Apr-2019
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Thanks for the kind words and of course, the extra verbiage was not supposed to be included. Thanks for the heads up! God bless you brother, Dennis
Comment from 24chas
Thanks for the meat and not the milk, Deniz22. This is very insightful and thought-provoking. Obviously, it was well researched and presented in terms that everyone can understand. Great job.
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Thanks for the meat and not the milk, Deniz22. This is very insightful and thought-provoking. Obviously, it was well researched and presented in terms that everyone can understand. Great job.
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Comment Written 08-Apr-2019
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Thanks my friend. Very much appreciated indeed.
