How This Critter Crits
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Comment from Dashjianta
Entertaining as always, Jay. Good reasoning for why you went with published work, and the choice of author. You put a lot of thought into the process.
Nit:
on Deal Or No Deal, "let's get it on! ...(")
reply by the author on 08-Jun-2015
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Entertaining as always, Jay. Good reasoning for why you went with published work, and the choice of author. You put a lot of thought into the process.
Nit:
on Deal Or No Deal, "let's get it on! ...(")
Comment Written 08-Jun-2015
reply by the author on 08-Jun-2015
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Hey, Alex. Thanks for reading this and for your praise. I caught a lot of flak for it being long-winded (which it was), but I thought it covered the necessary bases and with humor.
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It did--cover the bases, that is. I was trying not to be long winded in my review and witter on about how different our approaches are (you sound very analytical, where I tend to rely much more on instinct (sometimes I wish it were otherwise but I tend to get frustrated when I try to be more logical)) and it's ended up being a bit of a midget of a review as a result. Sorry about that--wasn't intentional.
Comment from Bill Schott
For sheer reading enjoyment, this preamble to actually doing something is effortlessly followable. (I got a red underline for that last word. I should place quotations around it. DANGER: Word not used in typical fashion!) I admire the way you stretch the intent of the explanation to the point of requiring another chapter to actually do what it seemed this chapter was going to do. The great thing about that is I don't mind and even look forward to reading about your process. I'm sorry, once again, for taking so long to get to this. I really need to have few distractions when reading items I actually want to get something out of. (Ends on a preposition. Great!)
reply by the author on 05-Jun-2015
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For sheer reading enjoyment, this preamble to actually doing something is effortlessly followable. (I got a red underline for that last word. I should place quotations around it. DANGER: Word not used in typical fashion!) I admire the way you stretch the intent of the explanation to the point of requiring another chapter to actually do what it seemed this chapter was going to do. The great thing about that is I don't mind and even look forward to reading about your process. I'm sorry, once again, for taking so long to get to this. I really need to have few distractions when reading items I actually want to get something out of. (Ends on a preposition. Great!)
Comment Written 05-Jun-2015
reply by the author on 05-Jun-2015
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You are so funny, and so insightful, Bill. I'm glad you found it fun to read. Of course the major complaint seems to be that I love the sound of my voice. Hell, someone's gotta! Yes, I rambled and yes, again, it could have been summed up in one paragraph. (One Critter did, and damned well!) I think you'll like the next chapter.
Comment from --Turtle.
Well, this chapter had me befuddled. I walked away and read it a second time, and I don't think things need to change, the flow of thought is sound, but I am resistant to deleting my original reactions, so hopefully they won't be too rambling.
*********original.
words arriving a mille-second(millisecond)? before the fine spray of spittle
(Have to admit something weird. The spray of spittle made me feel uncomfortable. I emotionally shied away from the imaginary confrontation. Don't think it has to change, but it was an interruption before I even know what I'm doing, so I felt like the good kid in the class, while the teacher was fighting with one of the bad kids, and all I want to do is get on.
I'm not in [any way trying to say](wordy) that you and I
So ... as Howie Mandel would say on Deal Or No Deal, "let's get it on! ...
(I wondered if this was needed as a dating to stuff that is really basic on fundamental levels? You are time stamping a timeless concept. That's not a big deal, but it crossed my mind.)
Now that I've finished this work, what I came away as useful was the suggestion to better understand how to write good works, is to read tried and tested works, and not just read them, but spread it out and absorb the writing as a whole.
The chapter was easy to follow. I didn't get confused on the chapter alone, though the switchup of what I am doing without the warning of this being a switchup intermission would be jolting... going from chapter 8 to 9. So I don't know where to begin the chapter... from the 'previously' or from the chapter itself. Might like more of a why am I selecting a short story, heads up? If that makes any sense. I might not be making any sense. The previously section does that, but the chapter section doesn't.
I guess what I am trying, and failing, to say is: Why do you start the chapter with First, get a story? if I don't know that I'm getting a story to get into deep-level analysis, unless I read the section of green (which I did) that wouldn't technically exist as part of the chapter.
Unless the green is part of the chapter, and not just the cliff notes of chapters before (I believed the green to be a helper for those who didn't read before, so is separate from the chapter itself, I don't know if that's the right way to think of it). I don't know what I am doing until later, and that isn't a problem for a single chapter, but what I'm talking about is from chapter's previous to this.
So, now that I have sufficiently mucked up that thought that I had, and any further attempt will just make it worse. I'm going to relax, breath, and say, don't people usually wander away during intermissions?
The tangent of ruffling an imagined writer's feathers by suggesting getting a published work, it felt like a tangent, where I was watching things wander away, wondering why I have a published work in my hand.
reply by the author on 04-Jun-2015
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Well, this chapter had me befuddled. I walked away and read it a second time, and I don't think things need to change, the flow of thought is sound, but I am resistant to deleting my original reactions, so hopefully they won't be too rambling.
*********original.
words arriving a mille-second(millisecond)? before the fine spray of spittle
(Have to admit something weird. The spray of spittle made me feel uncomfortable. I emotionally shied away from the imaginary confrontation. Don't think it has to change, but it was an interruption before I even know what I'm doing, so I felt like the good kid in the class, while the teacher was fighting with one of the bad kids, and all I want to do is get on.
I'm not in [any way trying to say](wordy) that you and I
So ... as Howie Mandel would say on Deal Or No Deal, "let's get it on! ...
(I wondered if this was needed as a dating to stuff that is really basic on fundamental levels? You are time stamping a timeless concept. That's not a big deal, but it crossed my mind.)
Now that I've finished this work, what I came away as useful was the suggestion to better understand how to write good works, is to read tried and tested works, and not just read them, but spread it out and absorb the writing as a whole.
The chapter was easy to follow. I didn't get confused on the chapter alone, though the switchup of what I am doing without the warning of this being a switchup intermission would be jolting... going from chapter 8 to 9. So I don't know where to begin the chapter... from the 'previously' or from the chapter itself. Might like more of a why am I selecting a short story, heads up? If that makes any sense. I might not be making any sense. The previously section does that, but the chapter section doesn't.
I guess what I am trying, and failing, to say is: Why do you start the chapter with First, get a story? if I don't know that I'm getting a story to get into deep-level analysis, unless I read the section of green (which I did) that wouldn't technically exist as part of the chapter.
Unless the green is part of the chapter, and not just the cliff notes of chapters before (I believed the green to be a helper for those who didn't read before, so is separate from the chapter itself, I don't know if that's the right way to think of it). I don't know what I am doing until later, and that isn't a problem for a single chapter, but what I'm talking about is from chapter's previous to this.
So, now that I have sufficiently mucked up that thought that I had, and any further attempt will just make it worse. I'm going to relax, breath, and say, don't people usually wander away during intermissions?
The tangent of ruffling an imagined writer's feathers by suggesting getting a published work, it felt like a tangent, where I was watching things wander away, wondering why I have a published work in my hand.
Comment Written 04-Jun-2015
reply by the author on 04-Jun-2015
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I love the way your mind works, even while getting tangled in the gears. "So, now that I have sufficiently mucked up that thought that I had, and any further attempt will just make it worse. I'm going to relax, breath, and say, don't people usually wander away during intermissions?" I loved that thought ... and, again, the way your mind works.
Thanks for reading this, Turtle. BTW, "millisecond" has been changed. Or to perform a Turtleism, "I mean "mille-second" has been changed to "millisecond" And yes, the spit scene was a tad gratuitous. When an image slides into place in my mind, I grab on before it slithers away. Sometimes I should let it slither.
Comment from emkoutny
Your comments on how to read and dissect a story were entertaining and informative. I love your turn of phrase. There were so many jewels in her like "literary surgery" and "archetypal memory of the art of our century.' i love the way you drew me in and made me feel like you were talking directly to me.
reply by the author on 04-Jun-2015
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Your comments on how to read and dissect a story were entertaining and informative. I love your turn of phrase. There were so many jewels in her like "literary surgery" and "archetypal memory of the art of our century.' i love the way you drew me in and made me feel like you were talking directly to me.
Comment Written 04-Jun-2015
reply by the author on 04-Jun-2015
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Thank you so much for reading this and finding something to take away.
Comment from Selina Stambi
Alice Munro - she is a brilliant author. Her short stories are not all that short, though!
Another good chapter, Jay. You write with verve and aplomb, spiced with years of 'critting' experience. A winning combination. :)
Popping in for a quick visit. As always, panting to keep up with you, and all but losing the battle.
Hope your week has been sweet. Ah, the lure of my garden of Eden - there's nothing quite like it.
Sonali :)
reply by the author on 03-Jun-2015
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Alice Munro - she is a brilliant author. Her short stories are not all that short, though!
Another good chapter, Jay. You write with verve and aplomb, spiced with years of 'critting' experience. A winning combination. :)
Popping in for a quick visit. As always, panting to keep up with you, and all but losing the battle.
Hope your week has been sweet. Ah, the lure of my garden of Eden - there's nothing quite like it.
Sonali :)
Comment Written 03-Jun-2015
reply by the author on 03-Jun-2015
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Thank you, sonali. I'm so happy you were able to stop by. I'm glad this resonated with you. Hope you can catch the actual exegesis of Alice Munro's short story next time.
Comment from Fridayauthor
I'm getting back into it. The short story...food for thought. I love to read them and I'm not very good at writing them.
Just some observations...
They stick in your mind, for years, if they are really good. Often, you don't know why. They are complete, but in a far different way than a novel. There is absolutely nothing in a good short story that isn't necessary, even the description. Nothing detracts from one, clear point.
Very good posting, Jay!
reply by the author on 03-Jun-2015
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I'm getting back into it. The short story...food for thought. I love to read them and I'm not very good at writing them.
Just some observations...
They stick in your mind, for years, if they are really good. Often, you don't know why. They are complete, but in a far different way than a novel. There is absolutely nothing in a good short story that isn't necessary, even the description. Nothing detracts from one, clear point.
Very good posting, Jay!
Comment Written 03-Jun-2015
reply by the author on 03-Jun-2015
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Thank you, Ray. I miss your stories, by the way. And your plays.
Comment from chasennov
An Intermission Is A Good Thing How This Critter Crits
Intermezzo B.Y.O.B.' I found this chapter very enlightening and watched how you actually performed an autopsy on a work of art. I was thinking that you may have learnt the art from a coroner who lives by a standard called; Mortui Vivos Docebunt. Very well done, Jay.
reply by the author on 03-Jun-2015
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An Intermission Is A Good Thing How This Critter Crits
Intermezzo B.Y.O.B.' I found this chapter very enlightening and watched how you actually performed an autopsy on a work of art. I was thinking that you may have learnt the art from a coroner who lives by a standard called; Mortui Vivos Docebunt. Very well done, Jay.
Comment Written 03-Jun-2015
reply by the author on 03-Jun-2015
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Thank you, my friend, Chas! I can figure out the Mortui and the Vivos, but the Docebunt sounds almost like a different language. LOL, I'm glad you enjoyed this and will be back.
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Indeed. It is sometimes used instead of Docent. You are most welcome, Jay.
Comment from Walu Feral
G'day Jay, another great chapter mate. Again this is very helpful and educational and gives me personal satisfaction because that is how I learned to develop my own poetry, by reading and studying other writers work. Very enjoyable stuff Sir. Cheers Fez
reply by the author on 03-Jun-2015
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G'day Jay, another great chapter mate. Again this is very helpful and educational and gives me personal satisfaction because that is how I learned to develop my own poetry, by reading and studying other writers work. Very enjoyable stuff Sir. Cheers Fez
Comment Written 03-Jun-2015
reply by the author on 03-Jun-2015
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Glad you enjoyed it, Fez. yours is the best way to learn. It can be messy, but when you get through it you know what you did was right. And you know that you know.
Comment from Writingfundimension
'But if you think it is better then you owe it to yourself and thousands of readers to try to get it published.'
You know, I've never thought of it that way. Great point, Jay.
Another excellent, thought-provoking.
:) Bev
reply by the author on 02-Jun-2015
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'But if you think it is better then you owe it to yourself and thousands of readers to try to get it published.'
You know, I've never thought of it that way. Great point, Jay.
Another excellent, thought-provoking.
:) Bev
Comment Written 02-Jun-2015
reply by the author on 02-Jun-2015
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Thanks, Bev. I'm glad you found the chapter helpful. The last one coming soon along with the new story.
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You're welcome, Jay. :)
Comment from krprice
Check through this for commas in the right place.
I'm not promising to say (delete that) you. . .
Good essay.
Since you're having a bit of a problem with Doctrex, I have a suggestion. In the Aug, 2015 issue of Writer's Digest (may not be on the stands yet. I subscribe to it), there is an article titled Creative Under Pressure: How to write yourself out of a corner. I think it might help you.
Karlene
reply by the author on 02-Jun-2015
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Check through this for commas in the right place.
I'm not promising to say (delete that) you. . .
Good essay.
Since you're having a bit of a problem with Doctrex, I have a suggestion. In the Aug, 2015 issue of Writer's Digest (may not be on the stands yet. I subscribe to it), there is an article titled Creative Under Pressure: How to write yourself out of a corner. I think it might help you.
Karlene
Comment Written 02-Jun-2015
reply by the author on 02-Jun-2015
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That's what I'm talkin' about! I yanked that that, Karlene. Somehow it got through the find filter.
I'll check Barnes and Noble for the Writer's Digest article. Sounds like a good one.
I appreciate your reading.