How This Critter Crits
Viewing comments for Chapter 8 "Three More Illusion Crashers"GROWTH? ADULATION? HURRY -- CHOOSE!
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Comment from Eigle Rull
This chapter is very well written with lots of examples to prove and show your case. It was extremely interesting because I have run across the same situation and have had a hard time figuring out how to word it. Sometimes it is so hard that I leave it out. This chapter held my attention very well. I enjoyed it very much.
Did I tell you that I keep these chapters so I can refer to them later? I do - they come in very handy sometimes. And I appreciate that you have shared them. Thank you, my friend. You are amazing.
Always with respect,
reply by the author on 27-May-2015
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This chapter is very well written with lots of examples to prove and show your case. It was extremely interesting because I have run across the same situation and have had a hard time figuring out how to word it. Sometimes it is so hard that I leave it out. This chapter held my attention very well. I enjoyed it very much.
Did I tell you that I keep these chapters so I can refer to them later? I do - they come in very handy sometimes. And I appreciate that you have shared them. Thank you, my friend. You are amazing.
Always with respect,
Comment Written 27-May-2015
reply by the author on 27-May-2015
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You probably should Bookmark the entire book when it's completed. Not now, since you would get the last chapters without the benefit of having them revised. But once you have them on your bookshelf you can refer to them again and again.
Comment from giraffmang
Hi Jay,
Another great piece here.
I feel I am learning a lot from these insights into the craft and the processes. being a new writer this is exceptionally helpful. I am still at the 'trial and error' stage with a lot of my work so this is invaluable.
Many thanks again,
GMG
reply by the author on 27-May-2015
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Hi Jay,
Another great piece here.
I feel I am learning a lot from these insights into the craft and the processes. being a new writer this is exceptionally helpful. I am still at the 'trial and error' stage with a lot of my work so this is invaluable.
Many thanks again,
GMG
Comment Written 27-May-2015
reply by the author on 27-May-2015
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THank you so much, GMG for the generous rating and kind words.
Comment from Tomes Johnston
This is yet another interesting addition to the series that the author has created here. This is yet another insight into the mind of a 'critter' from the author. This is certainly going into detail and you are certainly a serious critter. Well yet again.
reply by the author on 27-May-2015
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This is yet another interesting addition to the series that the author has created here. This is yet another insight into the mind of a 'critter' from the author. This is certainly going into detail and you are certainly a serious critter. Well yet again.
Comment Written 27-May-2015
reply by the author on 27-May-2015
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THank you, Tomes. Glad you are getting into this.
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It is very interesting
Comment from LIJ Red
Fanstory will make you run through the park. That's a thing I've crashed down out of a story on at times-a character saying (for the reader) something he'd never say to his costar in the prose. You get pretty deep into this-and that's good, if
readers will follow you.
reply by the author on 27-May-2015
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Fanstory will make you run through the park. That's a thing I've crashed down out of a story on at times-a character saying (for the reader) something he'd never say to his costar in the prose. You get pretty deep into this-and that's good, if
readers will follow you.
Comment Written 27-May-2015
reply by the author on 27-May-2015
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I'm getting a pretty good response from it, so far. Most seem to be following it.
Comment from Antoine Charlemaine
Well, my friend...another fine installment to your glowing series. Once again, I am a little concerned with your wordiness...or am I falling into the trap of wanting to get from A to B too quickly??? I found the last few paragraphs summed up the whole piece quite nicely, and were a fitting conclusion to a detailed essay. You use stories as examples and word pictures to illustrate your points cleverly and well. Your points are all valid and authoritative. You clearly think issues through very carefully before putting pen to paper (figuratively). Good job.
Ant. Antoine. Anthony. George. Hey you! Just-don't-call-me-late-for-dinner.
reply by the author on 27-May-2015
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Well, my friend...another fine installment to your glowing series. Once again, I am a little concerned with your wordiness...or am I falling into the trap of wanting to get from A to B too quickly??? I found the last few paragraphs summed up the whole piece quite nicely, and were a fitting conclusion to a detailed essay. You use stories as examples and word pictures to illustrate your points cleverly and well. Your points are all valid and authoritative. You clearly think issues through very carefully before putting pen to paper (figuratively). Good job.
Ant. Antoine. Anthony. George. Hey you! Just-don't-call-me-late-for-dinner.
Comment Written 26-May-2015
reply by the author on 27-May-2015
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Thanks, Anthony. Especially for your comment on wordiness. It's all valid my friend. I know it, you know it. But for some reason people seem to like it. So don't tell 'em. Only two more chapters.
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My lips are sealed...
Comment from Gloria ....
More sound advice for writers and critters alike, Jay.
Ha, love your intrusion of the author into the story, that is hilarious. POV is so important to good story telling. I've found third person POV is very, very difficult to write without it appearing as author intrusion. Jane Smiley wrote her book "Some Luck" from third person omniscient and limited, but it's not a POV for the feint at heart because it takes more skill to develop intimacy with the character/s without being noticed.
I've been doing quite a bit of research on showing vs telling. Again, you meet with lots of debate because everyone seems to disagree about what the difference actually is. Some people think all narrative is telling, which I don't agree with, and some people think all dialogue is showing, also not true. I like a mix of narrative and dialogue and both that show rather than tell. Although sometimes telling must be done, but it still better be good writing.
LOL, love the expository dialogue example. I find people get into expository dialogue with guns which we tend do when we are unfamiliar with an object or subject. As with most research, the author knows, but about 95% of what the author has gleaned from research doesn't actually get into the novel, but it still must be known.
OK, so I need a little help with reviewing sentence structure. Ha.
I see there's an intermezzo coming up. Does that mean refreshments? Because if it does, count me in.
Terrific chapter and advice, jay. Sorry that I go on with my own opinions so much, it's just that your writing gets me all excited about these things.
Gloria
reply by the author on 26-May-2015
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More sound advice for writers and critters alike, Jay.
Ha, love your intrusion of the author into the story, that is hilarious. POV is so important to good story telling. I've found third person POV is very, very difficult to write without it appearing as author intrusion. Jane Smiley wrote her book "Some Luck" from third person omniscient and limited, but it's not a POV for the feint at heart because it takes more skill to develop intimacy with the character/s without being noticed.
I've been doing quite a bit of research on showing vs telling. Again, you meet with lots of debate because everyone seems to disagree about what the difference actually is. Some people think all narrative is telling, which I don't agree with, and some people think all dialogue is showing, also not true. I like a mix of narrative and dialogue and both that show rather than tell. Although sometimes telling must be done, but it still better be good writing.
LOL, love the expository dialogue example. I find people get into expository dialogue with guns which we tend do when we are unfamiliar with an object or subject. As with most research, the author knows, but about 95% of what the author has gleaned from research doesn't actually get into the novel, but it still must be known.
OK, so I need a little help with reviewing sentence structure. Ha.
I see there's an intermezzo coming up. Does that mean refreshments? Because if it does, count me in.
Terrific chapter and advice, jay. Sorry that I go on with my own opinions so much, it's just that your writing gets me all excited about these things.
Gloria
Comment Written 26-May-2015
reply by the author on 26-May-2015
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Get excited and stay excited. And let it bleed all over my chapters. I love it. Anything you feel needs to be added to the chapter, or any other, don't hesitate. Let me know. Meanwhile, thanks for coming by and for reading. You are always a breath of fresh air.
Comment from c_lucas
The writer often interferes when the story is written in third person form. You have some solid suggestions in this well written post. Good job.
reply by the author on 26-May-2015
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The writer often interferes when the story is written in third person form. You have some solid suggestions in this well written post. Good job.
Comment Written 26-May-2015
reply by the author on 26-May-2015
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Thanks, Charlie. Appreciate your visit.
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You're welcome, Jay. Charlie
Comment from flylikeaneagle
Jay: I like your road mapping crit story telling. I like how you tell us to engage the reader and show the sights. I think we want to hear the breath as they run. I need to get into your portfolio and read your stories more. Thank you for the abc's of writing better. Congrats on the all time best! How long have you been writing and on FS? Yes, little nosey. I will write on word first next time. Thank you Jay! flylikeaneagle
reply by the author on 26-May-2015
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Jay: I like your road mapping crit story telling. I like how you tell us to engage the reader and show the sights. I think we want to hear the breath as they run. I need to get into your portfolio and read your stories more. Thank you for the abc's of writing better. Congrats on the all time best! How long have you been writing and on FS? Yes, little nosey. I will write on word first next time. Thank you Jay! flylikeaneagle
Comment Written 26-May-2015
reply by the author on 26-May-2015
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I was originally here in about 2006. I left about 2009. and came back in 2013. Of course, FS shows it as though I'd never left. Thanks for reading, Nancy. I hope the whole series will prove helpful to you.
Comment from --Turtle.
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distraction, an illusion crasher, unless handled adroitly.
(I stopped to go look up the word adroitly. I wondered if my unvocabularated self really needed to know the word adroitly. I worried if I didn't know the word adroitly, I'd never be able to interrupt dialog without showing my lack of skill.)
outside the story; I've become merely an eavesdropper!
(I read through the avoiding action, author interruption section of this... I think I call this backstory... insert backstory here. It's a terrifying part of story application. This is the one aspect of writing that I worry I fail at.
going off to college."
(This expository dialogue section 'bout had me in tears. Pretty good exaggeration to show example. I don't like expository dialogue. I'm way more forgiving about a little author interruption than expository dialogue. )
the thoroughfare and drive straight
(I liked the analogy section using road references)
I like the last line of this chapter. A nice way to end the chapter. I think these chapters are almost a fanstory public service announcement with zest and style.
What I like most about this chapter is that the writing concepts discussed are the ones that nobody really calls out here. I've read through, I can't tell you how many, but many situations where the dialogue is very expository, and not a single review mentions it. I start to doubt that I even know what is good or bad anymore.
reply by the author on 26-May-2015
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# # #
distraction, an illusion crasher, unless handled adroitly.
(I stopped to go look up the word adroitly. I wondered if my unvocabularated self really needed to know the word adroitly. I worried if I didn't know the word adroitly, I'd never be able to interrupt dialog without showing my lack of skill.)
outside the story; I've become merely an eavesdropper!
(I read through the avoiding action, author interruption section of this... I think I call this backstory... insert backstory here. It's a terrifying part of story application. This is the one aspect of writing that I worry I fail at.
going off to college."
(This expository dialogue section 'bout had me in tears. Pretty good exaggeration to show example. I don't like expository dialogue. I'm way more forgiving about a little author interruption than expository dialogue. )
the thoroughfare and drive straight
(I liked the analogy section using road references)
I like the last line of this chapter. A nice way to end the chapter. I think these chapters are almost a fanstory public service announcement with zest and style.
What I like most about this chapter is that the writing concepts discussed are the ones that nobody really calls out here. I've read through, I can't tell you how many, but many situations where the dialogue is very expository, and not a single review mentions it. I start to doubt that I even know what is good or bad anymore.
Comment Written 26-May-2015
reply by the author on 26-May-2015
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I can't tell you how happy I am that you found this chapter resonated with you. I hope others, who are less experiences than you, will find it helpful.
Comment from Jacqueline M Franklin
Hi, Jay...
Great examples of the different ways the author can write for the readers interpretation.
Superfluous and redundant wording is really hard for beginners to sort through.
>> What is she sniffing?? Should it be -- snuffled??
She sniffed.
"I know how hard it was for you, Mary ...."
Good stuff!
Cheers & Blessings
Keep Smilin'... Jax (*:*)
reply by the author on 26-May-2015
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Hi, Jay...
Great examples of the different ways the author can write for the readers interpretation.
Superfluous and redundant wording is really hard for beginners to sort through.
>> What is she sniffing?? Should it be -- snuffled??
She sniffed.
"I know how hard it was for you, Mary ...."
Good stuff!
Cheers & Blessings
Keep Smilin'... Jax (*:*)
Comment Written 26-May-2015
reply by the author on 26-May-2015
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Thanks, Jax. I'll check that out. I appreciate your kind rating and words.