How This Critter Crits
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Comment from Shirley McLain
I'm sorry to say I didn't get naked when I read it but I did glean some information from it that can help me with my own critts. You did an excellent job of bringing the reader though to the last.
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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I'm sorry to say I didn't get naked when I read it but I did glean some information from it that can help me with my own critts. You did an excellent job of bringing the reader though to the last.
Comment Written 05-May-2015
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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Well, if you at least got something out of it, the rest of the fanstorians will forgive you for being remiss. LOL, thanks for the kind words and the rating.
Comment from krprice
Please check for correct punctuation on compound sentences and after beginning phrases.
This was excellent though some of it was beyond me. Please don't ask me to explain what.
Karlene
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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Please check for correct punctuation on compound sentences and after beginning phrases.
This was excellent though some of it was beyond me. Please don't ask me to explain what.
Karlene
Comment Written 05-May-2015
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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I won't ask you to explain. Thanks for reading and for your suggestions. When are you getting back with your novel? The poor woman is dead and naked with lover-rumors abounding and no one to right the wrong.
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The book is finished and has been posted.
Right now I'm doing world creation on a SF action adventure/mystery/quest for YA.
Karlene
Comment from Adri7enne
I don't feel I can do justice to such a considered and intellectual piece of writing. I could never hope to fulfill your requirements for a good review. I think I detect a hint of mockery in the narrative voice, nevertheless, the author might be teaching his reviewer how he expects to be reviewed. I, in all good conscience, do not feel up to the task. Besides which, spring has finally arrived and all I can think about are the leaves that need to be raked and the flower beds that cry for attention.
I had fun reading your 'naughty' parts. Tsk, tsk! Some people can find allusions to the sexual acts even in reviewing. What an interesting mind! LOL! Well done, Jay.
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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I don't feel I can do justice to such a considered and intellectual piece of writing. I could never hope to fulfill your requirements for a good review. I think I detect a hint of mockery in the narrative voice, nevertheless, the author might be teaching his reviewer how he expects to be reviewed. I, in all good conscience, do not feel up to the task. Besides which, spring has finally arrived and all I can think about are the leaves that need to be raked and the flower beds that cry for attention.
I had fun reading your 'naughty' parts. Tsk, tsk! Some people can find allusions to the sexual acts even in reviewing. What an interesting mind! LOL! Well done, Jay.
Comment Written 05-May-2015
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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Thank you, Adrienne. I'm glad you enjoyed the humor. Oh, yeah, considerable narrative tongue-in-cheek. I DO appreciate your honesty ... honestly!
Comment from Spiritual Echo
With all the analogies you employ, you make a subtle point, but I honestly think it's for your own amusement rather than for reader edification. If someone under-estimated what went on in the fascinating mind of your, they might call this series 'navel gazing.'
What you actually accomplish, is a subconscious mind control, preparing the reader for the tone before discussing the elements of your crit standards.
In beautiful and very visual language, you tell the story of the perfectly decorated gift, and the wife's anticipated pleasure. You crack open the vault and devote an inordinate amount of word setting up the reader. Me? I'd have glossed over the entire point with a succinct comment...'all form, no substance.'
Evoking the sexual response, is as much about setting up your reader for the scrolling journey of your essay, as it is about the art of critting. Though I hardly doubt this is a subconscious move, you grease the wheels (so to speak) to have readers nodding and in agreement with your every word. Your avid fans are now totally prepared and compliant.
I do find this masterful writing.
Just a note regarding font size--nice example--I squinted so as not to miss this very important message. LOL. My choice in using bigger print is both a courtesy to older readers on the FS site and a personal ease for someone who has early macular degeneration. In sending my work to a publisher, reducing the font is the easiest final edit I perform.
I'm having a blast reading this series. I feel like you've taken me for a walk through an English garden in full bloom, holding my hand and expecting me breathe in the collective perfume before making me study each blossom individually.
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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With all the analogies you employ, you make a subtle point, but I honestly think it's for your own amusement rather than for reader edification. If someone under-estimated what went on in the fascinating mind of your, they might call this series 'navel gazing.'
What you actually accomplish, is a subconscious mind control, preparing the reader for the tone before discussing the elements of your crit standards.
In beautiful and very visual language, you tell the story of the perfectly decorated gift, and the wife's anticipated pleasure. You crack open the vault and devote an inordinate amount of word setting up the reader. Me? I'd have glossed over the entire point with a succinct comment...'all form, no substance.'
Evoking the sexual response, is as much about setting up your reader for the scrolling journey of your essay, as it is about the art of critting. Though I hardly doubt this is a subconscious move, you grease the wheels (so to speak) to have readers nodding and in agreement with your every word. Your avid fans are now totally prepared and compliant.
I do find this masterful writing.
Just a note regarding font size--nice example--I squinted so as not to miss this very important message. LOL. My choice in using bigger print is both a courtesy to older readers on the FS site and a personal ease for someone who has early macular degeneration. In sending my work to a publisher, reducing the font is the easiest final edit I perform.
I'm having a blast reading this series. I feel like you've taken me for a walk through an English garden in full bloom, holding my hand and expecting me breathe in the collective perfume before making me study each blossom individually.
Comment Written 05-May-2015
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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You know how to raise my spirits, Ingrid. You read about my English teacher, Mrs. Bain ... well, she would have been the first to draw a diagonal red line down the face of this and tell me to quit padding. The 75 year-old I would reply with the same injunction, "Mrs. Bain you need to quit padding," and giggle as she brings her forearm across her breast. But not at the time. She was scary! See, I'm even padding my reply to your delightful review. Thanks, Ingrid!
Comment from Dashjianta
I'm really enjoying your style of narration in this series, Jay. And your metaphors--the scene you created with the present, going to all the effort of making it look perfect, only for it to contain an empty box, made me laugh. I do a similar thing when I'm deciding whether to review or not, except I'll skim read the opening para. or one in the middle as well, just to see if it's something that's likely to hold my attention or not.
Suggestions/Thoughts:
the Nobel Peace Prize the next.
--Did you mean peace prize rather than literature or did it slip in by accident?
standing in the phase out line
--Should 'phase out' be hyphenated? It's not something I'm familiar with but I stumbled over it (because I'm unfamiliar) and thought a hyphen would stop a possible stumble.
few people can successfully wade through the "Great Books," even with the lesson plans
--I'm not sure on this one, but I think the comma after 'Great Books' may be wrong. If it was dialogue it would be right, but, as it's a quote, should it be outside the quotes? Or not there at all? As I said, am not sure, just posing the possibilities. (ditto the other times you use it.)
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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I'm really enjoying your style of narration in this series, Jay. And your metaphors--the scene you created with the present, going to all the effort of making it look perfect, only for it to contain an empty box, made me laugh. I do a similar thing when I'm deciding whether to review or not, except I'll skim read the opening para. or one in the middle as well, just to see if it's something that's likely to hold my attention or not.
Suggestions/Thoughts:
the Nobel Peace Prize the next.
--Did you mean peace prize rather than literature or did it slip in by accident?
standing in the phase out line
--Should 'phase out' be hyphenated? It's not something I'm familiar with but I stumbled over it (because I'm unfamiliar) and thought a hyphen would stop a possible stumble.
few people can successfully wade through the "Great Books," even with the lesson plans
--I'm not sure on this one, but I think the comma after 'Great Books' may be wrong. If it was dialogue it would be right, but, as it's a quote, should it be outside the quotes? Or not there at all? As I said, am not sure, just posing the possibilities. (ditto the other times you use it.)
Comment Written 05-May-2015
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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I may be wrong, but I thought the catagory was "The Nobel Peace Prize For Literature." Are you saying it should be "The Nobel Literature Prize".
I took care of the hyphenation and the replacement of the comma after the quote.
Thanks, as usual, for your eagle eye!
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The official title for it is The Nobel Prize in Literature. (I googled it to check before I reviewed to make sure.)
Comment from jpduck
You won't believe this -- I have just spent forty minutes composing a detailed response to this glorious piece. Finally I typed my name at the foot. But instead of starting it with Shift-A, I accidentally use Ctrl-A, which, of course, highlighted the whole review. Not noticing, I hit the 'd', which, of course, deleted the entire review ... irretrievably. This has happened once or twice before. I think I must change my name.
I'm sorry, I haven't the tenacity to recreate it all. So the following summary will have to do:
1. I started by commenting on the uncanny similarity between our methods of reviewing (sorry, 'critting').
2. I mentioned that I particularly enjoyed:
'Where Dr. Adler advises a quick, don't-stop-for-the-wounded, approach for the initial reading of a book'
and the fable of your birthday present to your wife had me shouting with laughter and stamping my feet.
I also pointed out a couple of rogue indentations and a single spacing between two pargaraphs. (I'm sure you will find them).
So I have now achieved far less than the very considerable justice this wonderful piece deserves. So sorry!
Nebuchadnezzar
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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You won't believe this -- I have just spent forty minutes composing a detailed response to this glorious piece. Finally I typed my name at the foot. But instead of starting it with Shift-A, I accidentally use Ctrl-A, which, of course, highlighted the whole review. Not noticing, I hit the 'd', which, of course, deleted the entire review ... irretrievably. This has happened once or twice before. I think I must change my name.
I'm sorry, I haven't the tenacity to recreate it all. So the following summary will have to do:
1. I started by commenting on the uncanny similarity between our methods of reviewing (sorry, 'critting').
2. I mentioned that I particularly enjoyed:
'Where Dr. Adler advises a quick, don't-stop-for-the-wounded, approach for the initial reading of a book'
and the fable of your birthday present to your wife had me shouting with laughter and stamping my feet.
I also pointed out a couple of rogue indentations and a single spacing between two pargaraphs. (I'm sure you will find them).
So I have now achieved far less than the very considerable justice this wonderful piece deserves. So sorry!
Nebuchadnezzar
Comment Written 05-May-2015
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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Oh, Adrian you are a gem! Thanks for making me roar with laughter over your tragedy. I've done the same a number of times. Usually it's with a few lines, not a complete crit. There should be a pop up that says, "Are you sure you want to delete?" But no, bye-bye!
But you captured the spirit of it. And that spirit I'm delighted to have. Thank you my dear friend for your kindness and of course quantifying it with a six!
Comment from royowen
My wife runs a book club, so of course when I started on FS (late 2013) I needed lots of advice on how to crit stories such as yours. She gave me some tips, but of course the Authors of books they read don't get to hear or read the reviews, so I had to devise my own method. My example is, i once asked a professional wine taster how he judged wines, his answer was, his training took him to areas I wasn't trained for, He firther said when you taste a wine, you either like it or you don't, I said yes, he said sagely, thats all you need to know, say what you like and what you don't like! Although less of the don't like, a little simplistic. but still! So well done Jay, good writing, blessings, Roy
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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My wife runs a book club, so of course when I started on FS (late 2013) I needed lots of advice on how to crit stories such as yours. She gave me some tips, but of course the Authors of books they read don't get to hear or read the reviews, so I had to devise my own method. My example is, i once asked a professional wine taster how he judged wines, his answer was, his training took him to areas I wasn't trained for, He firther said when you taste a wine, you either like it or you don't, I said yes, he said sagely, thats all you need to know, say what you like and what you don't like! Although less of the don't like, a little simplistic. but still! So well done Jay, good writing, blessings, Roy
Comment Written 05-May-2015
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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I can't think of a better, simpler way to crit than to follow your sniff. If it smells bad, it probably is. Then you need to try to figure out why it smells bad. That will tell you how to make it smell better. Thank you, Roy, for being so loyal to my posts. You are deeply appreciated. Blessings!
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My pleasure Jay.
Comment from Phyllis Stewart
Again, very interesting, Jay. But I'll be damned if I'd my valuable time reading anything twice, let alone three times!
One comment on font size that seems too small to read on your computer. I use a Mac and all I need to do to increase font size is hit Command (control in Windows) with a plus sign. Command with a minus sign reduces the size of the font, including pictures, etc., making the whole screen "image" look larger or smaller. So I don't have to worry about font size authors chose. I would think "Control/plus or minus" would do the same for a PC. But I don't know.
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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Again, very interesting, Jay. But I'll be damned if I'd my valuable time reading anything twice, let alone three times!
One comment on font size that seems too small to read on your computer. I use a Mac and all I need to do to increase font size is hit Command (control in Windows) with a plus sign. Command with a minus sign reduces the size of the font, including pictures, etc., making the whole screen "image" look larger or smaller. So I don't have to worry about font size authors chose. I would think "Control/plus or minus" would do the same for a PC. But I don't know.
Comment Written 05-May-2015
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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I'll try that Control + and see what happens, but I'll wait until after I do my review thank yous. And I do thank you. I agree with what your saying. What Adler said was once you've developed a facility for each of the three reads, you combine them in some mysterious way, automatically.
Thanks again, Phyllis for your support!
Comment from Eigle Rull
Hello, my friend. I am enjoying this learning process very much. You are a good teacher. And I - well, I try to take notes. I have many from FS authors and reviewers.
This was a great read because it gave me a lot of the information I need that others have neglected to comment on. It was indeed interesting, and it held my attention very well. The font I was instructed to use was size 14, which I have been doing. Before, I was using size 12 - I will be returning to size 12 now.
I enjoyed your instructions on how to review a writing. I, always start at the beginning and end at the end - sometimes, half asleep. I always leave a review. And I seldom leave a 4 or less. Since I am not as qualified or trained as you are, I will continue my way for the time being. However, I have tried what you suggested, and I can see what you're talking about. It makes sense. On the other hand, I don't have 186 fans either. I have far less than you do.
My friend, I have enjoyed these last two chapters very much and I look forward to the next one. Best wishes to you.
Always with respect,
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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Hello, my friend. I am enjoying this learning process very much. You are a good teacher. And I - well, I try to take notes. I have many from FS authors and reviewers.
This was a great read because it gave me a lot of the information I need that others have neglected to comment on. It was indeed interesting, and it held my attention very well. The font I was instructed to use was size 14, which I have been doing. Before, I was using size 12 - I will be returning to size 12 now.
I enjoyed your instructions on how to review a writing. I, always start at the beginning and end at the end - sometimes, half asleep. I always leave a review. And I seldom leave a 4 or less. Since I am not as qualified or trained as you are, I will continue my way for the time being. However, I have tried what you suggested, and I can see what you're talking about. It makes sense. On the other hand, I don't have 186 fans either. I have far less than you do.
My friend, I have enjoyed these last two chapters very much and I look forward to the next one. Best wishes to you.
Always with respect,
Comment Written 05-May-2015
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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Thank you, Elgie. You are a buffer for my spirits. I'm so happy the series is useful to you. I think you'll enjoy the Micro-critting because it is specific to the writing at hand. Again, thanks.
Comment from Jacqueline M Franklin
Hey, Jay...
I love this. The -font- can be so small and tedious to read OR large and overbearing to try to read.
Font and blup...blup...oatmeal! Excellent.
Cheers & Blessings
Keep Smilin'... Jax (*:*)
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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Hey, Jay...
I love this. The -font- can be so small and tedious to read OR large and overbearing to try to read.
Font and blup...blup...oatmeal! Excellent.
Cheers & Blessings
Keep Smilin'... Jax (*:*)
Comment Written 05-May-2015
reply by the author on 05-May-2015
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Thanks, Jax. I know you don't need any help with your critting, but it's nice to have your loyalty anyway.
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You're welcome. Hey, I might learn something. It's been known to happen. Why, back in 1967, I remember learning something---I just forgot what it was. (*<*)