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Comment from tfawcus
I see you're back into the twice a week routine, so presume your course is over. I hope it went well.
What a splendid description you have given of the Crapper bath/shower combination!
I am in awe of the way in which you have managed to include so much backstory so naturally in the conversation between Allen and Heather Bache. This is a fine piece of writing, pitch-perfect.
One typo near the beginning: Allen got (got) his call transferred to the West Kents' adjutant.
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I see you're back into the twice a week routine, so presume your course is over. I hope it went well.
What a splendid description you have given of the Crapper bath/shower combination!
I am in awe of the way in which you have managed to include so much backstory so naturally in the conversation between Allen and Heather Bache. This is a fine piece of writing, pitch-perfect.
One typo near the beginning: Allen got (got) his call transferred to the West Kents' adjutant.
Comment Written 02-Jun-2021
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Many thanks for this complimentary review. I am pleased you enjoyed the chapter. you might be interested in Wikipedia's comments on Mr C.
It has often been claimed in popular culture that the profane slang term for human bodily waste, crap, originated with Thomas Crapper because of his association with lavatories. A common version of this story is that American servicemen stationed in England during World War I saw his name on cisterns and used it as army slang, i.e. "I'm going to the crapper".[12]
The word crap is actually of Middle English origin and predates its application to bodily waste. Its most likely etymological origin is a combination of two older words: the Dutch krappen (to pluck off, cut off, or separate) and the Old French crappe (siftings, waste or rejected matter, from the medieval Latin crappa).[12] In English, it was used to refer to chaff and also to weeds or other rubbish. Its first recorded application to bodily waste, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, appeared in 1846, 10 years after Crapper was born, under a reference to a crapping ken, or a privy, where ken means a house.[12]
Comment from Judy Lawless
I love your detailed descriptions of the newer, never before seen parts of the Joliffe home, especially the tub and shower. Beautifully done. The way you've brought the conversation around to where Allen wanted it to go is perfect. I can see some new revelations about Tom coming soon. This is another chapter worthy of six stars. Unfortunately, I'm all out. :)
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I love your detailed descriptions of the newer, never before seen parts of the Joliffe home, especially the tub and shower. Beautifully done. The way you've brought the conversation around to where Allen wanted it to go is perfect. I can see some new revelations about Tom coming soon. This is another chapter worthy of six stars. Unfortunately, I'm all out. :)
Comment Written 02-Jun-2021
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Many thanks for the virtual six here and for the complimentary review. It was much appreciated.
Comment from damommy
Obviously, Our Tom had someone in his life. There's a German son to prove it. Why is Allen back at the farm? What is he looking for? Maybe I missed something. Duh!
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Obviously, Our Tom had someone in his life. There's a German son to prove it. Why is Allen back at the farm? What is he looking for? Maybe I missed something. Duh!
Comment Written 02-Jun-2021
reply by the author on 02-Jun-2021
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Did you really mean to give this post a single star. I doubt it but...
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Oh, I'm sooooo sorry! Of course, I didn't mean to give it a one. Crazy fingers. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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Thankyou for regrading this, I thought it was the result of a typo.
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It was!!!!
Comment from Sandra Stoner-Mitchell
Yes, even I can sympathise with him. When we think back to when he was a lad and looked up to My Tom, he was fine. But then My Tom discovered the truth of himself and distanced himself for Our Tom. That was the start of the change in him. Everyone seemed to be against him. Especially his father. It's a sad story really. I think had his father not threatened to disinherit him, he would most likely have stuck by Hettie. We'll never know now. So, I'm not sure what Peter Allen is after in this chat. Is it to find out if Our Tom had a fling with the German girl? What will he do once he finds out that the German lad is related to them, will he tell them? I know, I have to wait and see. (I couldn't remember the German lad's name) Another excellent chapter with some lovely descriptions of the bathroom. I've never seen a bath like that! Nor heard of them. Well done, Jim! :)) Sandra xxx
This was a surprise chapter! Not that I'm complaining. xxx
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Yes, even I can sympathise with him. When we think back to when he was a lad and looked up to My Tom, he was fine. But then My Tom discovered the truth of himself and distanced himself for Our Tom. That was the start of the change in him. Everyone seemed to be against him. Especially his father. It's a sad story really. I think had his father not threatened to disinherit him, he would most likely have stuck by Hettie. We'll never know now. So, I'm not sure what Peter Allen is after in this chat. Is it to find out if Our Tom had a fling with the German girl? What will he do once he finds out that the German lad is related to them, will he tell them? I know, I have to wait and see. (I couldn't remember the German lad's name) Another excellent chapter with some lovely descriptions of the bathroom. I've never seen a bath like that! Nor heard of them. Well done, Jim! :)) Sandra xxx
This was a surprise chapter! Not that I'm complaining. xxx
Comment Written 02-Jun-2021
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Some years ago in a builders' merchant specialising in reclaimed, antique building materials I came upon several of these shower/bath combinations. Appropriately enough the merchants were in Bath. That was the first time I had seen anything like that too.
Allen's main task at this stage is to check on the veracity of the German woman's story. He is concerned about the possibility of the German being a Nazi 'plant'.
Many thanks for the complimentary review.
Comment from BethShelby
I was sorry to see this chapter end. I was anxious to here about hos he came to have the German girl fall for him. I wonder if the service needs to verify the truth in letter the lady left for her son telling him his father was English. Surly this want mean that Jerico would be owned by the the young German whose father owned it before he died.
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I was sorry to see this chapter end. I was anxious to here about hos he came to have the German girl fall for him. I wonder if the service needs to verify the truth in letter the lady left for her son telling him his father was English. Surly this want mean that Jerico would be owned by the the young German whose father owned it before he died.
Comment Written 02-Jun-2021
reply by the author on 03-Jun-2021
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Since the German airman was illegitimate he would have no claim to the Jericho inheritance, though it is not unknown for those in his position to give it a try. What Allen is trying to do is to verify the German's story. He is concerned that the German might be a plant.
Comment from roof35
I see this chapter is a lead-up to asking the important questions. It is well written and I especially enjoyed your description and picture of the "Crapper" bathroom.
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I see this chapter is a lead-up to asking the important questions. It is well written and I especially enjoyed your description and picture of the "Crapper" bathroom.
Comment Written 02-Jun-2021
reply by the author on 03-Jun-2021
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Many thanks for this six star review.
Here is what Wikipedia says about Thomas Crapper and the origin of the word 'crap'.
It has often been claimed in popular culture that the profane slang term for human bodily waste, crap, originated with Thomas Crapper because of his association with lavatories. A common version of this story is that American servicemen stationed in England during World War I saw his name on cisterns and used it as army slang, i.e. "I'm going to the crapper".[12]
The word crap is actually of Middle English origin and predates its application to bodily waste. Its most likely etymological origin is a combination of two older words: the Dutch krappen (to pluck off, cut off, or separate) and the Old French crappe (siftings, waste or rejected matter, from the medieval Latin crappa).[12] In English, it was used to refer to chaff and also to weeds or other rubbish. Its first recorded application to bodily waste, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, appeared in 1846, 10 years after Crapper was born, under a reference to a crapping ken, or a privy, where ken means a house.[12]
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Thanks for the history.
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Thanks for the history. I knew a little of it but not about the American Servicemen.
Comment from elchupakabra
Thomas Crapper's name will never not be funny to me and the day it does stop being funny will be a sad day - I'm a sucker for mixing in historical figures/stories/context and I think this is exceptionally written. Great work and thanks for sharing. Later daze.
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Thomas Crapper's name will never not be funny to me and the day it does stop being funny will be a sad day - I'm a sucker for mixing in historical figures/stories/context and I think this is exceptionally written. Great work and thanks for sharing. Later daze.
Comment Written 02-Jun-2021
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Many thanks for this review and your exceptional, six star grading.
Here is what Wikipedia says about Thomas Crapper and the origin of the word 'crap'.
It has often been claimed in popular culture that the profane slang term for human bodily waste, crap, originated with Thomas Crapper because of his association with lavatories. A common version of this story is that American servicemen stationed in England during World War I saw his name on cisterns and used it as army slang, i.e. "I'm going to the crapper".[12]
The word crap is actually of Middle English origin and predates its application to bodily waste. Its most likely etymological origin is a combination of two older words: the Dutch krappen (to pluck off, cut off, or separate) and the Old French crappe (siftings, waste or rejected matter, from the medieval Latin crappa).[12] In English, it was used to refer to chaff and also to weeds or other rubbish. Its first recorded application to bodily waste, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, appeared in 1846, 10 years after Crapper was born, under a reference to a crapping ken, or a privy, where ken means a house.[12]
Comment from barbara.wilkey
You have me very curious about what visitors Tom brought to the farm and how it impacts national security.
Allen got got his call transferred to the West Kents' adjutant. (too many 'got')
He continued.
'When we last spoke I was concerned with one incident in his life, and the effect it had on other people, both at that time and, indirectly, several years later. (comma after continued and the dialogue moved up to follow)
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You have me very curious about what visitors Tom brought to the farm and how it impacts national security.
Allen got got his call transferred to the West Kents' adjutant. (too many 'got')
He continued.
'When we last spoke I was concerned with one incident in his life, and the effect it had on other people, both at that time and, indirectly, several years later. (comma after continued and the dialogue moved up to follow)
Comment Written 02-Jun-2021
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Thank you for this kind review. I have sorted the doubled 'got' but I am at a loss to understand your second suggestion as, in the passage you quote, there is no 'continued' to place a comma after.
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He continued.
'When we last spoke I was concerned with one incident in his life, and the effect it had on other people, both at that time and, indirectly, several years later. (comma after continued and the dialogue moved up to follow) 03-Jun-2021
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Oh I see. Yes Thank you I have that sorted out now.
Comment from Earl Corp
I guess coming in the middle like I did I would be a little lost. I thought it wasa great to learn that Thomas Crapper was a bathroom designer, that's hilarious. Very nice job.
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I guess coming in the middle like I did I would be a little lost. I thought it wasa great to learn that Thomas Crapper was a bathroom designer, that's hilarious. Very nice job.
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Comment Written 02-Jun-2021
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I am so glad you enjoyed my tit-bit for late arrivals and thank you for the review.
Here is what Wikipedia says about Thomas Crapper and the origin of the word 'crap'.
It has often been claimed in popular culture that the profane slang term for human bodily waste, crap, originated with Thomas Crapper because of his association with lavatories. A common version of this story is that American servicemen stationed in England during World War I saw his name on cisterns and used it as army slang, i.e. "I'm going to the crapper".[12]
The word crap is actually of Middle English origin and predates its application to bodily waste. Its most likely etymological origin is a combination of two older words: the Dutch krappen (to pluck off, cut off, or separate) and the Old French crappe (siftings, waste or rejected matter, from the medieval Latin crappa).[12] In English, it was used to refer to chaff and also to weeds or other rubbish. Its first recorded application to bodily waste, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, appeared in 1846, 10 years after Crapper was born, under a reference to a crapping ken, or a privy, where ken means a house.[12]
Comment from Mary Kay Bonfante
I'm enjoying this continuation of Allen's visit to Jericho Farm, and chomping at the bit, to hear the rest of the conversation. It was interesting to hear Heather defending her brother Tom, for a change... to a point.
I almost laughed, learning that the inventor of certain bathroom plumbing systems was named Thomas CRAPPER. Then I realized that it was no coincidence, that the bathroom, or even the bathroom toilet is sometimes referred to as the "crapper." I had thought the word "crap" came first, and the rest followed, but now I think it all started with a man's name! That combination bathtub and shower is quite a contraption, with a built-in shower shield and the controls off to one side (which is actually more convenient; your hands stay dry and away from extreme temperatures, while using them).
I didn't find any errors. However, I didn't understand the idioms in your last sentence:
'No wonder he went off, pop then!' exclaimed Allen.
I'm glad you're back to posting two chapters a week.
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I'm enjoying this continuation of Allen's visit to Jericho Farm, and chomping at the bit, to hear the rest of the conversation. It was interesting to hear Heather defending her brother Tom, for a change... to a point.
I almost laughed, learning that the inventor of certain bathroom plumbing systems was named Thomas CRAPPER. Then I realized that it was no coincidence, that the bathroom, or even the bathroom toilet is sometimes referred to as the "crapper." I had thought the word "crap" came first, and the rest followed, but now I think it all started with a man's name! That combination bathtub and shower is quite a contraption, with a built-in shower shield and the controls off to one side (which is actually more convenient; your hands stay dry and away from extreme temperatures, while using them).
I didn't find any errors. However, I didn't understand the idioms in your last sentence:
'No wonder he went off, pop then!' exclaimed Allen.
I'm glad you're back to posting two chapters a week.
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Comment Written 02-Jun-2021
reply by the author on 03-Jun-2021
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Many thanks for this review. The 'going off pop' refers to Allen's earlier remark about 'an explosion of hedonism'.
Here is what Wikipedia says about Thomas Crapper and the origin of the word 'crap'.
It has often been claimed in popular culture that the profane slang term for human bodily waste, crap, originated with Thomas Crapper because of his association with lavatories. A common version of this story is that American servicemen stationed in England during World War I saw his name on cisterns and used it as army slang, i.e. "I'm going to the crapper".[12]
The word crap is actually of Middle English origin and predates its application to bodily waste. Its most likely etymological origin is a combination of two older words: the Dutch krappen (to pluck off, cut off, or separate) and the Old French crappe (siftings, waste or rejected matter, from the medieval Latin crappa).[12] In English, it was used to refer to chaff and also to weeds or other rubbish. Its first recorded application to bodily waste, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, appeared in 1846, 10 years after Crapper was born, under a reference to a crapping ken, or a privy, where ken means a house.[12]
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You're very welcome, as always.
Thank you for explaining about these references, Jim. It's quite surprising that the word "crap" predated Mr. Crapper's inventions. Quite remarkable, indeed.
Cheers and blessings, Mary Kay