Rewriting Another's Work
A suggestion on reviewing16 total reviews
Comment from Jean Lutz
Thank you for this piece, Alvin. Ironically, I am reading poets I respect this morning. I have a short piece written and can't decide what it falls under -- haiku or senyru or neither. Probably I will never be a good reviewer because I read for message. If the words speak to me that is what is important to me. However I do respect those who have worked so hard to perfect their skill.
reply by the author on 22-Sep-2012
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Thank you for this piece, Alvin. Ironically, I am reading poets I respect this morning. I have a short piece written and can't decide what it falls under -- haiku or senyru or neither. Probably I will never be a good reviewer because I read for message. If the words speak to me that is what is important to me. However I do respect those who have worked so hard to perfect their skill.
Comment Written 05-Jun-2010
reply by the author on 22-Sep-2012
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Thanks for understanding what I wanted to convey so well and for a good review.
Comment from Vladilynn
Thumb's up with you dear! Thank you! I guess it saying I can't give you a sixer. Lol
But my thoughts is well enough for leaving my comment here! (I'll save the sixer for your future piece)
Being one of the writers here that write in English (eventhough it's my third language) sometimes I'm caught off guard too and thinking they might be right of course. But it really hurts sometimes the ego of my ideas, and makes me confused all the time, ending writing what they wanted to read and not what I wanted to write.
Again thank you so much for the essay!! Loved it!
Bravo!
Love much
Lynn:0)
reply by the author on 15-May-2010
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Thumb's up with you dear! Thank you! I guess it saying I can't give you a sixer. Lol
But my thoughts is well enough for leaving my comment here! (I'll save the sixer for your future piece)
Being one of the writers here that write in English (eventhough it's my third language) sometimes I'm caught off guard too and thinking they might be right of course. But it really hurts sometimes the ego of my ideas, and makes me confused all the time, ending writing what they wanted to read and not what I wanted to write.
Again thank you so much for the essay!! Loved it!
Bravo!
Love much
Lynn:0)
Comment Written 15-May-2010
reply by the author on 15-May-2010
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Thank you for such a good review. Since you mentioned it, you can raise the rating to six stars tomorrow. Do you know how to do that? By the way, what ARE the languages you know?
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No,I still have sixer's left, Just it don't show the six when I review you.
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that's probably because you can only give me one sixer once a week or once a month; I can't remember which.
Comment from mountainwriter49
Alvin,
This essay is "spot-on". And while saying that, one of the things I've learned since being on FS is that when I first joined, I was a terrible reviewer and my writings were not as good as I thought they were. Such is the novice as I was.
There are indeed fine lines when reviewing and you've brought up several that are most critical and important to a good, constructive review vs. an overbearing one.
I'll use this essay as a reference for my reviewing. And i DO mean that this is a most important essay for each member of this site to read and understand.
Thanks for crafting and sharing.
-ray
reply by the author on 13-May-2010
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Alvin,
This essay is "spot-on". And while saying that, one of the things I've learned since being on FS is that when I first joined, I was a terrible reviewer and my writings were not as good as I thought they were. Such is the novice as I was.
There are indeed fine lines when reviewing and you've brought up several that are most critical and important to a good, constructive review vs. an overbearing one.
I'll use this essay as a reference for my reviewing. And i DO mean that this is a most important essay for each member of this site to read and understand.
Thanks for crafting and sharing.
-ray
Comment Written 12-May-2010
reply by the author on 13-May-2010
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Yes, when I came here from professional reviewing, I found the reviews to be very different from what I was used to. Now I have learned more patience and tact. Thanks for a great review.
Comment from Judian James
My pleasure Alvin. You made a very good point, most especially about someone new to the site, reviewing a writer who has earned their place, so to speak ... and then the newbie tears apart a sonnet that they don't understand. This is a thought provoking piece as well.
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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My pleasure Alvin. You made a very good point, most especially about someone new to the site, reviewing a writer who has earned their place, so to speak ... and then the newbie tears apart a sonnet that they don't understand. This is a thought provoking piece as well.
Comment Written 12-May-2010
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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Thanks for a very understanding review. I truly appreciate it.
Comment from Donovan
I think instead of the word "moribund" you should have used the the phrase, "one foot in the grave." I think that clearly represents more accurately what I think the article should say. (I also think here on the "reviewing for dollars that can not be spent at Starbucks" site, you might as well be spitting in the ocean. But getting it off our chest always is cathartic. And......telling the readers to read the whole essay before commenting is grounds for therapy. So real deep, well, actually, pretty close to the surface, frustration here. I would take the job but you would want to pay me in Fan Dollars and the last time I took those, the alimony checks all bounced.) Other than being succinct, well written, without SPAGS and erudite, this semi-good. (Ever wonder why on chocolate chip packages the say "semi-sweet" instead of "semi-bitter"? (Of course I do not know if the question mark goes inside or outside the quotes. OK...this is all you get for your 2 cents and 1 point.
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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I think instead of the word "moribund" you should have used the the phrase, "one foot in the grave." I think that clearly represents more accurately what I think the article should say. (I also think here on the "reviewing for dollars that can not be spent at Starbucks" site, you might as well be spitting in the ocean. But getting it off our chest always is cathartic. And......telling the readers to read the whole essay before commenting is grounds for therapy. So real deep, well, actually, pretty close to the surface, frustration here. I would take the job but you would want to pay me in Fan Dollars and the last time I took those, the alimony checks all bounced.) Other than being succinct, well written, without SPAGS and erudite, this semi-good. (Ever wonder why on chocolate chip packages the say "semi-sweet" instead of "semi-bitter"? (Of course I do not know if the question mark goes inside or outside the quotes. OK...this is all you get for your 2 cents and 1 point.
Comment Written 12-May-2010
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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I am surprised you gave me six stars when you seem to disagree with everything I stated and call the work semi-good. And I fail to understand why telling the reader to read the whole essay (which is how professional reviewing is done) is grounds for therapy. I am quite confused by your review.
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Maybe my pathetic attempt at humor is just that. Self aggrandizement seems to be what this site likes best.
Comment from Bryana
Thank you for writing this essay Alvin. I'm always learning from you. I really don't understand who would tell you how to write or to change a word. We can learn from you. I have.
I hope you are happy and doing well.
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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Thank you for writing this essay Alvin. I'm always learning from you. I really don't understand who would tell you how to write or to change a word. We can learn from you. I have.
I hope you are happy and doing well.
Comment Written 12-May-2010
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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Thanks for a great review. I am planning on reviewing some of your work soon and responding to the Spaniards.
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Thanks for a great review. I am planning on reviewing some of your work soon and responding to the Spaniards.
Comment from c_lucas
Unfortunately, in most cases, the reviewer who rewrites someone elses work, has not idea about the subject. Your point is well taken. Good job.
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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Unfortunately, in most cases, the reviewer who rewrites someone elses work, has not idea about the subject. Your point is well taken. Good job.
Comment Written 11-May-2010
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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Thanks for a good review.
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Thanks for a good review.
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You're welcome, Alvin. Charlie
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You're welcome, Alvin. Charlie
Comment from honeytree
Very interesting reading these words. I never use an author's words for my writing, and I hope no-one uses mine.We have to suggest some changes, we have to be careful even more as a reviewer.
Honeytree.
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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Very interesting reading these words. I never use an author's words for my writing, and I hope no-one uses mine.We have to suggest some changes, we have to be careful even more as a reviewer.
Honeytree.
Comment Written 11-May-2010
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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Very true. You understood exactly what I wanted to convey.
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Very true. You understood exactly what I wanted to convey.
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I am glad you understood Alvin. I try and help when I can and if I can. We are human I guess and we can hurt as well as feeling joy. Life can be a complex situation for all of us.
Honeytree.
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I do understand. Thanks for a good response.
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I enjoyed reading your words here.
Honeytree.
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Thank you.
Comment from sgalletti
Dear Al...Oh well, oh well...the stories I could tell! But I shan't rant right now. Hugs to you for bringing this to everyone's attention (I read all the reviews to date!)... Hugs, Sue
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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Dear Al...Oh well, oh well...the stories I could tell! But I shan't rant right now. Hugs to you for bringing this to everyone's attention (I read all the reviews to date!)... Hugs, Sue
Comment Written 11-May-2010
reply by the author on 12-May-2010
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Yes, I was pleasantly surprised by all the good reviews this received. Thank you for a good review.
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Yes, I was pleasantly surprised by all the good reviews this received. Thank you for a good review.
Comment from adewpearl
Since having my verses rewritten is about as maddening an experience as I've ever had, I could not agree more, Alvin.
I also hate it when people tell me what ELSE they wish I had included and give me a wish list of additional verses - they're not reviewing what I wrote but saying, it sure would have been nicer had you also mentioned... Both these things are instances of a reviewer wanting us to write what he has written in his/her head - but you're so right, then it's his/her work! You state your case well. Brooke
reply by the author on 11-May-2010
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Since having my verses rewritten is about as maddening an experience as I've ever had, I could not agree more, Alvin.
I also hate it when people tell me what ELSE they wish I had included and give me a wish list of additional verses - they're not reviewing what I wrote but saying, it sure would have been nicer had you also mentioned... Both these things are instances of a reviewer wanting us to write what he has written in his/her head - but you're so right, then it's his/her work! You state your case well. Brooke
Comment Written 11-May-2010
reply by the author on 11-May-2010
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Thanks for a great review. At least we agree on this. SMILE. You and I both put a lot of work in our literature and someone who reads it for five minutes hasn't earned the right to tell us what to write! Thanks for a great review.